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	<description>My attempt to ungeek Data Portability (DaPo)</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 21:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on OAuth Explained by nontster</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/oauth-explained/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>nontster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for sharing :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for sharing <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Time to define open privacy standards? by Bob Ngu</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/time-to-define-open-privacy-standards/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Ngu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel, I am thinking more like W3C recommendations WRT the protocol / specs and recommendations though the governance model is up for debate. That said, nothing is set in stone at this time, I am putting this out there to see if such an effort even make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel, I am thinking more like W3C recommendations WRT the protocol / specs and recommendations though the governance model is up for debate. That said, nothing is set in stone at this time, I am putting this out there to see if such an effort even make sense.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time to define open privacy standards? by Daniel Parker</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/time-to-define-open-privacy-standards/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've also suggested this to the DataPortability group in a parenthesis in this message: http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/msg/e2a88d8b6fb19ce3?hl=en

I like the term you use -- "Open Privacy Standards"

How are you thinking this might operate?
 - Like W3C recommendations, just recommendations?
 - Like a reusable privacy policy that has a name, similar to how we repeatedly reuse the Apache license?
 - Like manufacturing standards, where they get a "stamp of approval" that proves they've been inspected and have proved to match up to the standards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also suggested this to the DataPortability group in a parenthesis in this message: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/msg/e2a88d8b6fb19ce3?hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/msg/e2a88d8b6fb19ce3?hl=en</a></p>
<p>I like the term you use &#8212; &#8220;Open Privacy Standards&#8221;</p>
<p>How are you thinking this might operate?<br />
 - Like W3C recommendations, just recommendations?<br />
 - Like a reusable privacy policy that has a name, similar to how we repeatedly reuse the Apache license?<br />
 - Like manufacturing standards, where they get a &#8220;stamp of approval&#8221; that proves they&#8217;ve been inspected and have proved to match up to the standards?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is MySpace data availability truly more open? by myspace&#8217;s DataAvailability != DataPortability &#8212; mrtopf.de</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/06/26/is-myspace-data-availability-truly-more-open/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>myspace&#8217;s DataAvailability != DataPortability &#8212; mrtopf.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now it is released (as you can read on TechCrunch and others): [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] now it is released (as you can read on TechCrunch and others): [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Time to define open privacy standards? by jpatterson1275</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/time-to-define-open-privacy-standards/#comment-143</link>
		<dc:creator>jpatterson1275</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd probably have to say since the "cloud" has really yet to, uh, "condense" from its current whisps of vapour, we're just going to have to continue to work on very small building blocks and release them into the wild. 

A lot of people talk. and talk. and have podcasts.

But in the end its Joe-Lunchbox-Coder that writes that little snippet of something or other, shares it with a pal, and starts a small fire that becomes a wildfire. This happens way way down on the tip of the long tail, you know, that area no one pays attention to.

Pick a kernel of identity that is neglected, and then hack on it from a  number of perspectives. Blog about your reasoning some, and then code some more. Once you get some really pissed off sounding criticism from someone who can't pinpoint a concrete reason why your idea is bad, but They Don't Like It --- well, then, I'd say you've probably done something right.

I'd say in the short term you might want to make it some cool little service that does a little something-something, and you can move some ads --- and I say this because, it seems like we as a collective discover new ideas on the web as proprietary services, and then we make them into distributed protocols. If you try and make the Next Big Protocol right out of the gate, then, well, you are probably screwed since everyone else will be wanting everyone else to use their Next Big Protocol. And then everyone sits around in their own sandbox and nothing happens. However, if you have at least a cool little service that builds some brand recognition, then, well, you've got some leverage to trade on, and you can build a coalition to move data around with.

Just like with research, the proof is in the results, not the podcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d probably have to say since the &#8220;cloud&#8221; has really yet to, uh, &#8220;condense&#8221; from its current whisps of vapour, we&#8217;re just going to have to continue to work on very small building blocks and release them into the wild. </p>
<p>A lot of people talk. and talk. and have podcasts.</p>
<p>But in the end its Joe-Lunchbox-Coder that writes that little snippet of something or other, shares it with a pal, and starts a small fire that becomes a wildfire. This happens way way down on the tip of the long tail, you know, that area no one pays attention to.</p>
<p>Pick a kernel of identity that is neglected, and then hack on it from a  number of perspectives. Blog about your reasoning some, and then code some more. Once you get some really pissed off sounding criticism from someone who can&#8217;t pinpoint a concrete reason why your idea is bad, but They Don&#8217;t Like It &#8212; well, then, I&#8217;d say you&#8217;ve probably done something right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say in the short term you might want to make it some cool little service that does a little something-something, and you can move some ads &#8212; and I say this because, it seems like we as a collective discover new ideas on the web as proprietary services, and then we make them into distributed protocols. If you try and make the Next Big Protocol right out of the gate, then, well, you are probably screwed since everyone else will be wanting everyone else to use their Next Big Protocol. And then everyone sits around in their own sandbox and nothing happens. However, if you have at least a cool little service that builds some brand recognition, then, well, you&#8217;ve got some leverage to trade on, and you can build a coalition to move data around with.</p>
<p>Just like with research, the proof is in the results, not the podcast.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Shameless self-promotion by Bob Ngu</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/shameless-self-promotion/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Ngu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man the pressure :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man the pressure <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Shameless self-promotion by daniela barbosa</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/06/13/shameless-self-promotion/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>daniela barbosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob- the attention is well deserved! The report will come back to you in a couple of months to highlight new 'in the wild' posts- so you better get jiggy with them ;-)

thanks for all your work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob- the attention is well deserved! The report will come back to you in a couple of months to highlight new &#8216;in the wild&#8217; posts- so you better get jiggy with them <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>thanks for all your work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on My data and having it my way by Time to define open privacy standards? &#171; Ungeek DaPo</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/my-data-and-having-it-my-way/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Time to define open privacy standards? &#171; Ungeek DaPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Michael Arrington, Robert Scoble, Marc Canter, Steve Gillmor, etc. My personal take on it &#8220;user privacy is a personal and individual thing and is also dependent on the context of usage&#8220;. I attempted to define some levels of privacy controls that make sense but it is far from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by Michael Arrington, Robert Scoble, Marc Canter, Steve Gillmor, etc. My personal take on it &#8220;user privacy is a personal and individual thing and is also dependent on the context of usage&#8220;. I attempted to define some levels of privacy controls that make sense but it is far from [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the wild snapshot#3: DiSo profile plugin by Bob Ngu</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/in-the-wild-snapshot3-diso-profile-plugin/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Ngu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Edward, XSS attacks are definitely a concern. Even though I find it inconvenient, in general it is a good idea to protect users from such malicious attacks regardless if is a centralized or decentralized social network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Edward, XSS attacks are definitely a concern. Even though I find it inconvenient, in general it is a good idea to protect users from such malicious attacks regardless if is a centralized or decentralized social network.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the wild snapshot#3: DiSo profile plugin by Edward Z. Yang</title>
		<link>http://ungeekdapo.wordpress.com/2008/06/02/in-the-wild-snapshot3-diso-profile-plugin/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Z. Yang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I know this is an auxiliary concern, but I'd like to point out that HTML Purifier also removes XSS attacks from HTML. In the context of a decentralized social network, I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing: should users be able to have JavaScript and forms on their pages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I know this is an auxiliary concern, but I&#8217;d like to point out that HTML Purifier also removes XSS attacks from HTML. In the context of a decentralized social network, I&#8217;m not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing: should users be able to have JavaScript and forms on their pages?</p>
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